Peter Tessier: Should there be goalie concerns despite the OT win? Yeah I'm not sure of Hellebuyck's play this season- prove me to be wrong.

55’s effort tonight was non existent. I’m with ultimate on this, 55 is playing too much and if you can’t see it affecting his game during these last 5 or 6 then take off the fan glasses. I am a big fan of 55 but he needs a break and needs to realize his play of late will catch up to him and the team.

The Ducks third goal was weak but so to was 55’s play on it.

55’s effort tonight was non existent. I’m with ultimate on this, 55 is playing too much and if you can’t see it affecting his game during these last 5 or 6 then take off the fan glasses. I am a big fan of 55 but he needs a break and needs to realize his play of late will catch up to him and the team.

The Ducks third goal was weak but so to was 55’s play on it.
- Ross77

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Peter Tessier: Should there be goalie concerns despite the OT win?
Yeah I'm not sure of Hellebuyck's play this season- prove me to be wrong.
- Peter.Tessier

Can always pull a Shanahan. Extend the backup with 4+ years term, trade the starter and save some cap $. Brossoit 5 years a 2M aav is possible..... Both tendy's are just 25.

Peter. While Helle certainly is not at the level he was last year , his save percentage has dropped from .924 to .908 . However virtually every goalie in the league has dropped at least .10 this year. The equipment could be the reason, I'm not really sure. So in theory he's only about .06 off last year. I have confidence he will get better as the year progresses. I don't think its quite cause for concern yet. Furthermore , Broissot has been fantastic so if Helle were to go into a funk we have a capable backup.

Peter. While Helle certainly is not at the level he was last year , his save percentage has dropped from .924 to .908 . However virtually every goalie in the league has dropped at least .10 this year. The equipment could be the reason, I'm not really sure. So in theory he's only about .06 off last year. I have confidence he will get better as the year progresses. I don't think its quite cause for concern yet. Furthermore , Broissot has been fantastic so if Helle were to go into a funk we have a capable backup.
- jetsnation

Very true. This season will see some very unflattering Vezina stats compared to past winners.

I would love to see this blue line at some point:

Morrissey-Trouba
Niku-Byfuglien
Kulikov-Myers

Just once.

Peter. While Helle certainly is not at the level he was last year , his save percentage has dropped from .924 to .908 . However virtually every goalie in the league has dropped at least .10 this year. The equipment could be the reason, I'm not really sure. So in theory he's only about .06 off last year. I have confidence he will get better as the year progresses. I don't think its quite cause for concern yet. Furthermore , Broissot has been fantastic so if Helle were to go into a funk we have a capable backup.
- jetsnation

Well, I have certainly thought similar to Peter but with new equipment sizes, there could be a correlation with those new changes. Helle seems to really struggle with deflected pucks. I am not trivializing this as it is the hardest puck to stop but once the puck changes direction, he can't recover.

Some more aggressive goalies will come a little further out of the net to take away space so the deflected puck has less distance and time to change direction, but he doesn't seem to be an aggressive type of goalie to do that. He is hangin in there and getting wins but barely. 2 years ago, he was very prone to letting in soft goals and also that first shot. He eliminated that soft goal last year and for the most part his soft goals have been minimal this year. But, where I see other teams scoring on Helle is through traffic and deflected pucks.

Peter does make a good point about Brossoit tho. I mean, take out 4 wins by Brossiot and we are fighting for third or even a wild card spot.

Hard to put your finger on anything but my train of thought is similar to Pete's. Good thing our backup is doing his job flawlessly. Give Chevy credit for a great signing.

I would love to see this blue line at some point:

Morrissey-Trouba
Niku-Byfuglien
Kulikov-Myers

Just once.
- Rexypoo

Agree but wouldn’t lose any sleep if it’s Chairot or Kuli with Myers

55’s effort tonight was non existent. I’m with ultimate on this, 55 is playing too much and if you can’t see it affecting his game during these last 5 or 6 then take off the fan glasses. I am a big fan of 55 but he needs a break and needs to realize his play of late will catch up to him and the team.

The Ducks third goal was weak but so to was 55’s play on it.
- Ross77

Yes, you wonder if Wheeler and Scheifs are going have any gas left in the tank at the end of the season. His effort was not very good and Helle let in the softy but we miss Ehlers and Buff big time. The loss of speed up front by Ehlers is very noticeable. He backs the opposition up like no other Jet can when he comes up the ice.

One thing I was so happy about was when PoMo put Connor and Tanev out together in the OT. Finally gave Wheeler and Scheifs a break and they took off down the left side and got a shot. Both these two have speed so why not use them in OT?

Very entertaining game, my kids scooped my tickets and were rewarded. They said it was very intense!

Oh, btw, did anyone see Laine skating his @$$ off last night? Yes he scored so that's a bonus but if he skates like that consistently every game, involved, then there is nothing to complain about even if there are no goals. But last nite was a good example of him skating hard and getting involved.

Curious,
Does anyone have a comparible for goals scored league wide last year compared to this year at this point?

Agree but wouldn’t lose any sleep if it’s Chairot or Kuli with Myers
- Ross77

Kulikov is better than Chiarot, for sure. That, and 5-57 is surprisingly great, while 7-anyonebut33 is a nightmare

Curious,
Does anyone have a comparible for goals scored league wide last year compared to this year at this point?
- Ross77

https://www.hockey-refere...ce.com/leagues/stats.html

Notice the GAA is the highest its been in over 20 years.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

Notice the GAA is the highest its been in over 20 years.
- jetsnation

Pistol Pete - this is an important point from Jetsnation ... my concern is more on how we play against better teams - AND - key conference match-ups

I was at the Tampa game which we won ... that's the Jets I want to see more of ... because I was also at the Flames game, the Leafs game, the Sabres game (when they were still good), the last Wild game, etc ... all losses when you're in your seat, cold bevvy in hand, wondering "WTF ?!?"

Peter. While Helle certainly is not at the level he was last year , his save percentage has dropped from .924 to .908 . However virtually every goalie in the league has dropped at least .10 this year. The equipment could be the reason, I'm not really sure. So in theory he's only about .06 off last year. I have confidence he will get better as the year progresses. I don't think its quite cause for concern yet. Furthermore , Broissot has been fantastic so if Helle were to go into a funk we have a capable backup.
- jetsnation

Important point, but I think the more telling stat is that Hellybuck is currently 24th in save %, whereas he finished 10th last year - when you remove everyone who played < 20 games.....

Important point, but I think the more telling stat is that Hellybuck is currently 24th in save %, whereas he finished 10th last year - when you remove everyone who played < 20 games.....
- liverpoolnhl

Part of the cause of this is that we now have a capable backup who is being given most of the easy games/teams. Helle played 67 games last year and might only play 55-57 this year. So those lost easy games save percentages might effect his average by a few points. I figure apples to apples he is playing at about a .912 all things factored. Add .06 for a tougher goalie year gets him to about .918. So he is a bit off his game but not by a huge factor.

Teams also seem to rally themselves when they play the Jets. I believe that is also a big factor here.

Agree but wouldn’t lose any sleep if it’s Chairot or Kuli with Myers
- Ross77

Yes.... .....i've been pumping Chiarot's tires lately, but last night was his worst game in a while, discounting the kicked in goal. Numerous Tape to tape passes to ANAHEIM. I think he and Kulikov were on the ice for every Ducks goal. Btw, do we need any more proof that the hockey gods exist than Chiarot's game tying Anaheim deflected goal🤡
Kulikov also seemed to struggle, most of his zone exits were passes to no one.
Looking forward to seeing Poolman again tonight. Hoping he'll look ready for a call up.
We are in section 112. Come by and say hello if you are at the game . You can't miss the Thrashers jerseys 😎.....

Overlooked aspect of last game: Perreault-Little-Laine being a thing.

That line... It makes me feel inappropriate feelings.

I thought this was an interesting take on the season so far... Jets against Calgary, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Toronto are a combined 0-9 and -21 goal differential. Against the rest of the league Jets are 29-5-2 and are +47

Part of the cause of this is that we now have a capable backup who is being given most of the easy games/teams. Helle played 67 games last year and might only play 55-57 this year. So those lost easy games save percentages might effect his average by a few points. I figure apples to apples he is playing at about a .912 all things factored. Add .06 for a tougher goalie year gets him to about .918. So he is a bit off his game but not by a huge factor.

Teams also seem to rally themselves when they play the Jets. I believe that is also a big factor here.
- jetsnation[/quote]

You see that this highlighted point is in an "in-tangible" or un-measureable aspect of the game. Teams are geared up for the Jets, no doubt about it.

I thought this was an interesting take on the season so far... Jets against Calgary, Minnesota, Pittsburgh and Toronto are a combined 0-9 and -21 goal differential. Against the rest of the league Jets are 29-5-2 and are +47
- Finnisher29

Good point. Can anyone show the goalie save percentage for these games for the opposing goalies??

I remember the Calgary goalie was out of his mind in the last game, and Murray from Pittsburgh also beat the Jets as well in the last Pitts game and Dubynyk was also good the last time out against the Jets. I believe that these are one of the intangibles where the team is cranked up for the Jets, the goalie is out his mind and there you go, 0 for 9.

I would like to see the goalie stats for these games.

Chairot is looking like Karlson and Hele is starting to look like Pav's

There is no proving you wrong on this one Pete. His numbers are down. It's difficult to separate goalie numbers from the quality of play in front of him but there is enough sample size and examples to say that he was a little better last year.

I attribute it to the equipment change. His self described style is big and boring, ie. more dependent on positional play, less on acrobatics to make the saves. It makes sense that the changes would impact his game a little more than a goalie with a game built around reactions and intense compete level (Fleury).

That said, I am not concerned about CH's play. He has been good, the compete level is there, the work ethic, the pride... he will continue to be good or better. I have more confidence in his play than with Broissoit in spite of the w/l records. LB has benefited from playing against teams with less firepower. There are times when he overplays to take himself out of position, he also plays more aggressively to keep the play going - moving the puck to defenders after the save. These remind me of Paveluck. No complaints about his record and looks to be a great teammate. He's done everything that has been asked of him.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

Notice the GAA is the highest its been in over 20 years.
- jetsnation

Thanks Jetsnation!!!